I just want to tell you a story that I read. For me as a person who's handled many bobcats and looked at many pictures Bobcat the White chin Bobcat right off is what comes out to me and then the black the the roughs on our Bobcats we'll have sometimes have black fringes on them. I'm Peter Biello. And yet there I was, on a Saturday in early November, crammed into a booth with Bo Ottmann, 48, and Bill Betty, 72, of Cougars of the Valley, the organization that Ottmann founded in 2007 to gather evidence of and alert the public to the big cats living among us. Tracking experts Paul Rezendes, Charles Worsham, George Leoniak, and Dr. Mark Elbroch examined the photos. Its documented through track surveys, aerial surveys, trapping and collaring surveys. We're going to talk a little bit more about habitat first but then we'll get into sightings. It was some sort of a Lion Mountain Lion animal. We hadnt seen a cougar, nor any evidence to suggest a cougar had traveled these woods recently. Caller: Are probably. The term is because mascots notwithstanding right that they're referred to with a lot of different terms and sometimes they can be confused with a lot of different terms. Mountain lions when they show up they leave evidence. Thank you very much for that story really appreciate it. I have one that's more elaborate than that. Re (1): Mountain Lion sighting in Brookfield ct - By russ January 30, 2016 at 05:10:25 PM. I have seen them fly and do so especially into trees when in danger, either real or imagined. And were one of the most densely populated states as far as humans. And what was really remarkable about the whole thing was I was maybe a half mile down on all buildings. What do you think that. Its OK, he told me. And as the biologist who's gonna stand on this and if I'm going to say this is a proven picture I need to be able to stand on it so soundly and have the evidence so I going to go through it with a fine tooth comb kept picking pieces apart trying to answer these pieces. Bill and I are full-throttle. And when provoked no animal could stand before him elegantly put. Patrick Tate: I've had hunters hang deer carcasses forbidding wildlife entries. Each person had their own copy and now it was identify the trees the species of tree matched. But no proof was offered. There's a lot of photographs that you can see that it's very clearly a tabby cat that someone has thought was a mountain lion. Like Tate, he gets a lot of photos and . Are there mountain lions in Massachusetts. Its closest living relative is the cheetah. The mountain lion is believed to have had an encounter with a family on their lawn. Cougar truthers are certain that the big cat is living and breeding again in New England. John you're on the air. SUE Morse naturalist and science director for the organization keeping track. Mountain lions became scarce in the East after a bounty system wiped out most predatory animals. I've actually had to walk in on one or two now and look at what was going on and figured out what was going on. There are always rumors about what state fish and wildlife agencies in the eastern United States know about mountain lions. Let us know your story and share your photos. And I would like to see more plants and even animals in future columns. And that's this morning at 10:00 here on NH PR. You saw what you saw. Well they are the same. County road and all of a sudden a big cat jumps out of the woods over a stone wall stood in the middle of the dirt road as I rode towards it. Right. I mean so what what is the practical change that it would bring to New Hampshire if any. That animal had come from South Dakota, traveling more than 1,500 miles to get to New England.. Mike you're on the air. There was a lot of DNA evidence. Kyle I think about Rick Tate wants to jump in here. And they used to be this whole list of the different subspecies of mountain lion and it has since been reduced to just to the North American and the South American. There, too, is Crowells photograph, grainy and old: the hunter leaning against a tree stump, his head propped casually on his left hand, elbow to stump, shotgun cradled in the crook of his right arm. In 2011, genetic testing confirmed that a mountain lion originated in South Dakota and traveled more than 1,500 miles before being struck by a car on the Merritt Parkway, according to Reuters. Patrick Tate: Martin Like what about Panther Panther saying animals same animal and like a bit of trivia Guinness Book of World Records says the animal with the most names is in English alone they're supposedly 40 names for Mount lion. Its definitely a problem thats only going to get worse. Give us a call if you have a question or comments or story about perhaps seeing a mountain lion here in New Hampshire. They reported seeing the big tail and everything everything. I was a Bobcat we saw it and I have a picture of it. I met with Morse at her home in Jericho. There is no evidence of a reproducing mountain lion population in Massachusetts, MassWildlife says on its website. I saw that had this giant the bobcat had this giant sweeping which is John Bobcat don't have big sweeping tails. Sue Morse: First and foremost if you have color or if you could see details of color look at the front of the face around the Pumas muzzle the muzzle itself is pure white. 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. Peter Biello: Worth mentioning if we're scaring anybody question a mysterious mountain lions lurking perhaps in someone's backyard. You know I think it's there's a lady Holly Ernst out in California who has done a lot of the genotyping of mountain lions in Northern California the ones that are of course most people have heard about taking down hikers bikers etc. This is why tangible evidence is so important. The second story window through about 30 feet away from it. Mountain lions also have tails that can grow up to 3 feet. They absolutely do. M from Tree Hill author series presenting Diane lay back. And so I just wanted to share my share my experience with you guys and it was pretty awesome to see if you get to see one albeit it was in the brush. ANOTHER female disperser in addition to the one BELOW! MassWildlife uses evidence-based criteria for confirming reports of mountain lions. To learn more about "lion country" in Colorado check here. She is renowned for tracking. Records suggest that cash bounties for cougar kills were relatively common in the late 1700s and early 1800s; in the Adirondacks, a trapper named Thomas Meacham was credited with 77 cougar kills. People go through great lengths to create hoaxes like this. OK. Known to exist in the state for over well over a hundred years. John is calling from Bennington. Caller: Well I think Patrick I recognized your name. Today on the exchange we discuss what residents may have been seeing and what breeding mountain lion pairs would mean for our ecosystem. In April 1997, experienced tracker John McCarter found scat near a beaver carcass at the Quabbin Reservation. Indeed, in 2011, a male cougar was hit and killed by a car in Milford, Connecticut; through its DNA, wildlife biologists were able to trace the cat back to South Dakotas Black Hills, some 2,000 miles distant. These are the slides, included in a slide show on mountain lion sightings in New Hampshire. So there is definitely no downward pressure by anyone. Peter Biello: Well yeah. But you've done some reporting on this. Patrick Tate: Okay. Think you've seen a mountain lion. They sent it already. And I can recall its information but I can't confirm or verify anything. The Connecticut mountain lion is the best documented wild Mountain Lion in New England. And I have to use that word allegedly because there is so much dispute about what people see and what they actually see. Okay. Patrick Tate: Exactly I was gonna bring that up juvenile male of. I must have looked doubtfulwe were within spitting distance of a heavily traffickedroad and only 12 miles from downtown Hartfordbut both Ottmann and Betty told me that cougars actually prefer more populated areas, since thats where deer tend to congregate. What gets confusing is when you have a large adult animal and a smaller juvenile animal of a different species you can now step start beginning talking about overlapping body weights and sizes. I live pretty much on the town line of Greenfield just a couple of miles down in the Greenfield. But I was riding a mountain bike not far from my house. Mountain lion sightings in New Hampshire have increased along with the bobcat population, said Tate. Rick your thoughts. The catamount is a creature of stealth and concealment; it stalks its prey, which on the EasternSeaboard would likely be deer, moose, porcupines, beavers, and domestic livestock. And listeners this has been a lively conversation we're sorry we didn't get to all the the e-mailed comments and the phone calls your stories are appreciated even if we didn't get a chance to hear them today. A typical adult male will weigh up to. October 24, 2010. in News World. Here's why reports are so tough to prove mass.gov/doc/mountain-lions-in-massachusetts-distinguishing-fiction-from-the-facts/download, There are 69 invasive plant species in Massachusetts. The American Lion The Saber tooth Tiger and this was the one that survived. The deadline for fuel assistance applications is Sunday, but most state emergency funds are still unspent. Rick van de Poll: Well a report that you know as John Harrigan up north has in co-ops County for about 15 years I kept track of reports and people would call me and tell me where they saw the mountain lion they thought they saw it and it varied right from you know downtown villages all the way to remote highlands of the North Country and and everywhere in between. Massachusetts and several other New England states have bear hunting, or harvest, seasons, which proponents say help control populations. Support for an age PR comes from you our listeners. Ecosystem Management Consultants of New England, Ask Sam, and recently fielded question about mountain lions, Manchester installs monitors to track air quality disparities. I pull it up but may not have done so soon enough. How big was the animal? Something along those lines. Part of this belief is rooted in his journalistic experience, which across the decades has cultivated his nose for sincerity. We rely on readers like you to support the local, national, and international coverage on this website. 2, 2015) French wrote a thorough piece, "Mountain Lions in Massachusetts: Distinguishing the Fiction from the Facts." So let's let's go to the phones. Q:While walking October Mountain just recently, I am sure I saw a mountain lion. By mid-19th century, forests made up only about 30 percent of New England (its notable that today that number stands at approximately 80 percent, nearer to what it was when cougars thrived here). This assessment is echoed by the aforementioned Christopher Spatz, who has been studying cougars for better than 20 years. In their estimation, the presence of a breeding cougar population in New England would likely stem from our proximity to Canada, where, as they rightly point out, DNA analysis has resulted in 19 positive identifications across Quebec and New Brunswick since 2001 (although some of these were shown to be of South American lineage, suggesting escaped pets). Peter Biello: Yeah. He has also reported for the Marketplace Morning Report. So for me as a person who's had the Bobcats right off my grits similar carries sticks to a bobcat The Long Tail obviously very different but those facial markings were overlapping for me. So. We think theyre coming in from Canada, Betty told me. and territorial animals are much more inclined to create a problem with passer bys than dispersing animals in fact I'd be totally shocked if a dispersal would encounter with a human purposefully unless they had already had some type of training to do so. So now what's going on. Fear is actually one of the most powerful ecological forces we know, and its a really important management tool., According to Laundre, the problems caused by a relatively fear-free ecosystem are not always obvious, in part because they can take decades to fully manifest. Thank you. But on the other side of that coin there is this sense that there have been so many sightings locally and you guys Patrick you might recall the name the Wyndham McCracken she kind of turned herself into a local authority off authorities the right word but she was very dedicated to this. And its not just Vermont. You might think that it would be easy to tell the two cat species apart. Case 2 On one side, there are those (as represented here by Sue Morse, Kim Royar, and Christopher Spatz, along with a number of others I spoke with) who contend that the lack of verifiable evidence is proof that the animals are not here. It was not in any hurry. I saw it growing in Richmond along the road to Richmond Pond some years ago, pointed out by the late David St. James. It traveled all the way from from you know Minnesota to New York without being so seen Patrick take. Its distinctive featurethe one that sets it apart from other North American wild catsis its tail, which is thick and often as long as its body. But one day. So long as the tails there, that is. Re(1): Webster update - Misunderstanding! Pat do they typically just move around a lot. Rick van de Poll: Oh yeah absolutely. Re (3): Mountain Lion sighting in Brookfield ct - By weather01089 February 1, 2016 at 04:55:52 PM. but won big 2night. I really really enjoyed listening to this program so thank you all very much. Peter Biello: Let's go to Mike in Epping. So I hate the idea that there's some sort of upward you know downward pressure from the bosses saying Don't you know don't tell about the mountain lions because it'll scare away the tourists. It is also known as cougar, panther, mountain lion, and puma, though catamount is the preferred regional vernacular. Mountain lion sighting-By Virginia June 25, 2017 at 11:23:56 AM. So and so the idea that they can follow up on every individual sighting is just crazy right. We're not in the woods. Women control our lives. Through DNA they approximate area in the United States or North America where I was born. Peter Biello: When did you allegedly see a mountain lion. We're gonna cue you up and bring into the program listeners in just a moment but I want to ask about the role that Mountain Lions play in the ecosystem we've been talking a lot about mountain lions traveling and being sort of hard to track as they move. And we want to know your stories if you have them 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7 or email exchange at an HP bar dot org we'll talk about conspiracy theories when we come back. NHPR is nonprofit and independent. A: It is less common than many other invasives but is found here in the Berkshires. Which goes back to the Connecticut Connecticut cat and what not. He told me that on one of his many scouting trips for Black Bear he found a deer carcass up in a tree. On another large animal that is most definitely here: bears. And maybe it's a no holds barred nostalgia for a better world a wild or Fuller world not a world that's constrained by our boundaries and our taxes and our highways. I was at the Sentinel as a reporter there for about four years and during that time I probably wrote close to a half dozen stories or so on this topic including a lengthy feature at one point that in which I spoke to several people from around the banana region claimed to have seen mountain lions that at one time or another. ghost. However, there have been two confirmed reports of mountain lions in the state in the last 30 years. I've had a number of people call up and say I found a scout in the woods and I want it DNA identified. Fish and Game looked into the labs to have them confirm the information in the reports which the labs did not. Here it is. Two independent labs confirmed the scat found at the site came from a mountain lion. They run to about 25 mph. Well let's talk a little bit about that. The next week, on June 11, the cat was hit and killed by an SUV on the Wilbur Cross Parkway in Milford. And really whenever you hear tiny code and long rope like tale it's kind of hard to pin this sighting on any other creature rather than an outline or just nothing else really matches that description. It's not an emerging endangered species no work no there are there are populations in specific states so the Florida panther is is an endangered species that sub population is in fact listed under the Endangered Species Act. Love hearing these stories. Human/Wildlife Interactions in California: Mountain Lion Depredation, Public Safety, and Animal Welfare Overview and Background More than half of California is mountain lion habitat. But along the lines of the conspiracy theories as you mentioned earlier there there was a bit of a sense on behalf of what I'll call the promo online community who felt that fishing gain maybe not even so much in a spoken policy but maybe sort of an unspoken policy did not want to find themselves in a situation where they had to spend money to create a management plan and so forth. The USDA's Forest Service Wildlife Genetics Laboratory found that the animal came from South Dakota. Patrick Tate: Well. And last year, Ben Tanner, a Lady's Island resident, captured video footage of what appears to be a large cat stalking a deer. I wonder if it grows around here at all? Long before NASA was asked to put a man on the moon one engineer had already figured out how to get there. At first, I thought it was pretty, but then it kept spreading on the edge of the woodlands next to my lawn. There are an estimated 3,000 - 7,000 Mountain lions in Colorado. If so that's for us as an agency. Information online ad an age student loans dawg. ; track sets or photos of track sets; other tangible physical evidence verified by qualified professionals. I was aware, too, of how a certain mythology surrounding the animal had taken root in Vermonts culture and even its identity: The University of Vermonts athletic teams, for instance, are known as the Vermont Catamounts, and their logo features a snarling cat lunging through the cleft of a V., I met with Morse at her home in Jericho. Please limit your input to 500 characters. MassWildlife cannot investigate or confirm mountain lion reports without any evidence. Here are few facts you should know about bats and a few myths to forget. You could have 50. And today we're talking about the mysterious elusive mountain line with folks who know something about it. So one thing I'd point out is we've been talking about situations with no evidence a number of them come in with photographs and yet what they fit what they description of the animal they saw and by the way I got a picture of what I saw. Clearly, Puma concoloronce inhabited the forests of the Northeast, although its difficult to say in what numbers. Patrick Tate: Well I've never seen an Easter cougar so I can't say when I've handled these 10 cougars and whatnot. So you want identifiable backgrounds. 3. Rick van de Poll: Rick van de Poll so I was a non-believer as well. A harvest is kind of twofold. Rick van de Poll: Well the mountain lion of course has been sort of an enigma in the wildlife suite for years and years. Hawley: That animal was documented. The feedback will only be used for improving the website. We discuss what residents may have been seeing and what breeding mountain lion pairs would mean for our ecosystem. His mention of these encounters was so matter-of-fact that I found myself nodding along. It's you know I recognized their report and. When they fly, it is more like a burst and reaches around 50 mph. Colorado and California have the highest estimated populations of mountain lions in the United States. She quotes a biologist in Lyme New Hampshire who who is keeping two mountain lions himself so in the not too distant past in the early nineteen hundreds it was perhaps more common and still in Maine. Caller: Hey guys how you doing. They don't know the direction they're going. Peter Biello: Ok. So I know it's another unconfirmed report but you string enough of these together. An adult male bobcat can reach four feet in length and 35 to 40 pounds. . John. They just end up in these places. Both labs confirmed the sample came from a mountain lion. Mountain lions weigh . My wife and I saw a mountain lion. Yet this young male traveled about 1,800 miles. Caller: I got home to my wife that a gene that you should have seen the cat.
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